tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post2686727051818134127..comments2024-03-29T20:04:30.755+08:00Comments on Monsters and Manuals: Thoughts on Yoda and The Great SinUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-36931801347062911762014-06-02T07:00:26.832+08:002014-06-02T07:00:26.832+08:00Um, good sirrah - "fan service"?
which ...Um, good sirrah - "fan service"?<br /><br />which would suggest that noisms did it for some prurient purpose, as if I'm upon reading this supposed to get some kind of *ahem* stiff thrill from that line. Right.<br /><br />Which line quite frankly reminds me of the scene in Phil Dick's "The Divine Invasion" where the protagonist finally is all set to go to bed with The Fox (his inaccessible dream woman) and she tells him she's on her period and can't. Suddenly the dream implodes and he's left facing a real human being who has real human being stuff going on. Which isn't the analogy noisms was looking for, but a different version of something similar. <br /><br />And anyway, it's disingenuous to whine about a throwaway line on (no offense) a niche blog while the RPG art industry does so well at inspiring gender images. <br /><br />Plus - sex itself is now "sexist"? What, we're all supposed to procreate by fission now?Garyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02808516798917797684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-48382193194542734592014-06-02T06:47:02.070+08:002014-06-02T06:47:02.070+08:00"you are first shown a slightly annoying, but..."you are first shown a slightly annoying, but amusing, clown character, who then transforms into a wise old teacher."<br /><br />Like most Zen masters, only Luke didn't get hit with a stick nearly often enough.<br /><br />What's the line - something like "never piss off* a little old Asian man"?<br /><br />*note that by saying that I have alienated all the good little boys and girls who would have played RPGs if not for my stinky potty mouth. Fuck 'em if they can't take a joke.<br />Garyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02808516798917797684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-64751739011168095222014-05-10T05:20:17.444+08:002014-05-10T05:20:17.444+08:00George Lucas is a horrible, un-creative human bein...George Lucas is a horrible, un-creative human being. He fell ass-backwards into the biggest jackpot there has ever been. Every time he hands something off to someone else, it immediately becomes one jillion times better.<br /><br />The whole concept of himself doing the first three movies was an atrocity. I am so glad he isn't doing the next one. Scott Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12067161332003628237noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-40616034700380788612014-05-10T04:39:30.967+08:002014-05-10T04:39:30.967+08:00Can I just chime in and say that this whole thread...Can I just chime in and say that this whole thread has gotten kind of creepy?<br /><br />I see Zak's point, but I think we're talking about something that is psychologically very complicated (i.e. human sexuality) and it seems to me that he's trying to flatten it in the interest of satisfying a very rigid ideology.Picadorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01244353406711565712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-21193096099951399002014-05-09T00:25:39.535+08:002014-05-09T00:25:39.535+08:00Good.Good.noismshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09933436762608669966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-66163585799925976062014-05-08T23:45:13.663+08:002014-05-08T23:45:13.663+08:00"The fight with Count Dooku is like the momen..."The fight with Count Dooku is like the moment you get a blowie off the hitherto untouchable school good girl..."<br /><br />C'mon, man. I want my kids, nieces, and nephews to play RPG. Quit cutting them out of the community with this sexist and *pointlessly offensive* drivel.<br /><br />Barefaced fan service? What do think dropping blowjobs from "school good girls" into a blog post about kids movies is, exactly?<br /><br />If this was actually consciously addressed to your intended audience, know that you've cut my family right out of it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-29192257114124446452014-05-07T05:00:14.402+08:002014-05-07T05:00:14.402+08:00It's true. I think with me it's more puzzl...It's true. I think with me it's more puzzlement than anger or anything like that. <i>Why</i> and <i>how</i> did something that good become something so bad?noismshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09933436762608669966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-25683370075319911182014-05-07T03:49:41.632+08:002014-05-07T03:49:41.632+08:00Mmm...I actually think your analysis of Yoda is ri...Mmm...I actually think your analysis of Yoda is right on the money (and I, too, think the school girl analogy is apt). But what can you do? You can't unsee the damn thing (like so many other damned things you wish you could scorch from your mind's eye). If Yoda's 900 years old, you'd think his lightsaber days would have been a few hundred years prior to the prequel story (and thus he should have been portrayed in much the same way as Empire...if he were to appear at all).<br /><br />'Course, it helps to simply keep things in perspective: they were created to be sci-fi entertainment. It's hard to blame the filmmakers for creating a couple of films that turned into American classics and then failing to follow-up with the later installments.JBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08532311924539491087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-27633635707921679512014-05-07T02:13:26.749+08:002014-05-07T02:13:26.749+08:00David, Jeremy and Antonio. I get what you're s...David, Jeremy and Antonio. I get what you're saying and you may be right. But it's not executed well. Or even at all. There is no character development of Yoda through the prequels and you can't really appeal to other subsequent series to explain his behaviour in them: films should stand on their own merits. The way Yoda is portrayed you see him acting like a nasty little shit for three films and when he reappears he's nice. There's no indication that he's going to go through any of that change in Episodes I-III.noismshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09933436762608669966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-89888666599415489972014-05-07T01:38:59.247+08:002014-05-07T01:38:59.247+08:00On the other hand...what if Lucas wanted to show h...On the other hand...what if Lucas wanted to show how Yoda changes in time? After all, the prequels are meant to show events and characters and how they evolved/involved. (I still don't like the prequels, but this make at least make sense of what we see.)Antoniohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17258180992723371727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-9707470267518651462014-05-07T00:09:43.891+08:002014-05-07T00:09:43.891+08:00I've been watching the Clone Wars series latel...I've been watching the Clone Wars series lately, and it has given me a slightly different perspective on the prequels. More context, essentially.<br /><br />It seems to me that Darth Vader's story is really the story of the entire Jedi order. Over the course of the Clone Wars series, they are being militarized, hardening, losing the teaching and mentoring aspects. <br /><br />Yoda throwing his weight around in a violent and aggressive fashion is exactly right for Jedi masters of that era. Heck, they are often called Generals, instead of Jedi. He's been in the middle of a war for years, seen hundreds of his friends and students killed, and he's face-to-face with one of the architects of all that.<br /><br />Sure, it's fan-service, but it's fun, and it's not wrong. Anakin falls to the dark side, and Yoda nearly does. It takes 20 years of solitary meditation in a swamp for him to get back to the wise teacher he was before the war.Jeremy Murphyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17072164588443858336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-19574426997234873662014-05-06T22:55:50.149+08:002014-05-06T22:55:50.149+08:00I chuckled at 'blowie'. I'm also addin...I chuckled at 'blowie'. I'm also adding it to my lexicon now.<br /><br />As for the great Yoda sin, I imagine there will be some that interpret it as his utilization of violence in the prequels is what helped him reach the decision to advocate pacifism in Empire, but we all know that's crap. Everyone just wanted to see him jump around like Kermit and fight Count Dookie...Doodoo...Dook- I can't do it. Poor Christopher Lee.David Schimpffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04207702598494587244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-11020631803594836932014-05-06T19:20:20.283+08:002014-05-06T19:20:20.283+08:00I can only do an electronic shrug. I can only do an electronic shrug. noismshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09933436762608669966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-57342153447647959342014-05-06T14:41:45.370+08:002014-05-06T14:41:45.370+08:00Analogies can be creepy.Analogies can be creepy.Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-37017678559098876292014-05-06T14:37:26.311+08:002014-05-06T14:37:26.311+08:00Zak, it's just an analogy.Zak, it's just an analogy.noismshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09933436762608669966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-12186509095934942432014-05-06T06:57:56.782+08:002014-05-06T06:57:56.782+08:00Yeah--there are lots of ways to evolve that don...Yeah--there are lots of ways to evolve that don't involve Jar Jar Binks or sucking more.<br /><br />Many Bond films after Dr No are as good or better than Dr No.<br /><br />Can't say that about the original trilogy or Alien.Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-78581079911523920912014-05-06T06:51:38.923+08:002014-05-06T06:51:38.923+08:00I guess then you're implying there's a lev...I guess then you're implying there's a level of "built upness" that enivsages a level of quality that a blowjob from a pretty can't provide.<br /><br />Which assumption is difficult to wrap my mind around. Even the worst blowjob from a pretty girl is still a blowjob from a pretty girl and so is still way better than any imagined blowjob. And almost anything else.Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-11545550078094636472014-05-06T06:08:54.416+08:002014-05-06T06:08:54.416+08:00The hitherto-untouchableness is value-neutral. It&...The hitherto-untouchableness is value-neutral. It's to reinforce the fact that an important element of the analogy is that something that has been built up in the imagination over an extended period of time. Nothing more or less. noismshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09933436762608669966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-77438816663762377782014-05-06T05:15:47.218+08:002014-05-06T05:15:47.218+08:00That sounds like a bad blowjob.
UNLESS the "...That sounds like a bad blowjob.<br /><br />UNLESS the "untouchableness" is viewed as a _positive_ quality, which is the thing I think is creepy.Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-14569064810598171662014-05-06T04:58:52.886+08:002014-05-06T04:58:52.886+08:00It's neither. It's:
Cute girl who is suppo...It's neither. It's:<br />Cute girl who is supposed to be untouchable and who you've built up into something amazing in your imagination<br />Blowjob<br />It can't possibly live up to what you was in your imagination, so the thing that was in your imagination is sullied<br /><br />Like Yoda.noismshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09933436762608669966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-28521159618193745612014-05-06T04:49:44.779+08:002014-05-06T04:49:44.779+08:00"I'm not sure it's all that unusual t..."I'm not sure it's all that unusual to observe that sometimes getting what you want isn't quite as good as it was in your imagination beforehand??"<br />This statement implies this scenario:<br />Cute girl<br />Blowjob<br />Blowjob isn't that good<br />(not creepy)<br /><br />Your original implies this scenario:<br />Cute girl<br />Blowjob<br />Her very willingness to give you a blowjob makes you feel that something has been diminished or sullied.<br />(creepy)Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-85979172700784189992014-05-06T04:32:35.608+08:002014-05-06T04:32:35.608+08:00That wink emoticon isn't a nudge-nudge-wink. T...That wink emoticon isn't a nudge-nudge-wink. That really is what I meant. If only a jedi master were here to read my mind.noismshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09933436762608669966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-66888333443560944392014-05-06T04:28:17.977+08:002014-05-06T04:28:17.977+08:00I'm not sure it's all that unusual to obse...I'm not sure it's all that unusual to observe that sometimes getting what you want isn't quite as good as it was in your imagination beforehand??<br /><br />It happened to me with the extra large helping of cheese and chips I had after a night out on Friday. noismshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09933436762608669966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-38731416571089886482014-05-06T04:25:37.021+08:002014-05-06T04:25:37.021+08:00Ah, _naturally,_ what was I thinking?Ah, _naturally,_ what was I thinking?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13333781524640845035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-42071053681836964622014-05-06T04:22:09.265+08:002014-05-06T04:22:09.265+08:00You're both wrong:
-not about pedophilia
-not ...You're both wrong:<br />-not about pedophilia<br />-not _ever_ about being "problematic" (this is me talking, not some drooling moron on the bus)<br />I just have no idea what good thing is _lost_ or diminishing and sullying when someone does something completely awesome and good.<br />You reported an actual emotion. That anyone has that particular emotional response to something as good as a blowjob is simply creepy.Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.com