tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post4384144024720935991..comments2024-03-28T17:59:09.906+08:00Comments on Monsters and Manuals: For Old Times' Sake: LotFP is Worth SavingUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger70125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-53592314011897865092020-07-24T02:13:38.294+08:002020-07-24T02:13:38.294+08:00Vornheim and Death Frost Doom are two of the best ...Vornheim and Death Frost Doom are two of the best products I have ever bought for any system period. Useful, well laid out and very atmospheric. Well not my main system, that would be S&W Complete I love a lot of the earlier stuff and appreciate the quality and vision for the line.DM Crimson https://www.blogger.com/profile/11922840939370122263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-64791243037355676392020-07-23T17:03:04.582+08:002020-07-23T17:03:04.582+08:00@Vagabundork
I am not going to pretend I am guilt...@Vagabundork<br /><br />I am not going to pretend I am guilty just to make you or anyone else comfortable.Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-58879555189748921712020-07-23T07:26:55.205+08:002020-07-23T07:26:55.205+08:00I'm inclined to agree. I have great respect fo...I'm inclined to agree. I have great respect for LOTFP and what it's done for the OSR, but I took a look at their US webstore and... I don't want to buy any of it. Raggi is thousands of dollars in the shitter and is choosing to print what he says is the most expensive per-unit book he's ever done, and it's a freebie? Yeah, not exactly a business mastermind.Philippe Ricardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04775005621008970082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-9502405259185971912020-07-23T05:43:37.646+08:002020-07-23T05:43:37.646+08:00@dansumption
Also, fwiw, it's probably best t...@dansumption<br /><br />Also, fwiw, it's probably best to fact check misinformation when there's time:<br /><br />-Raggi's neither friend nor fan. He's just a "less bad than other" gamer colleagues<br /><br />-I have lots of friends and fans, just not among these gamer colleagues<br /><br />-"very damaged" could describe anyone right now, but if you mean my mental health: it's fine<br /><br />-As my last comment should've made clear, I am not in any way discussing people "coming to my aid" or not. That is not the topic of conversation. James did not "come to my aid" he merely failed to spit as hard in my face as his fellow game designers.<br /><br />I understand that not everyone holds to the idea that they shouldn't present fake things as true in public, but I do. <br /><br />If you don't: feel free to say that.<br /><br />If you do: Your welcome.Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-41823467951349748812020-07-23T05:23:22.447+08:002020-07-23T05:23:22.447+08:00@Zak
If you appreciate James, leave him alone. He...@Zak<br /><br />If you appreciate James, leave him alone. He is awkward, he doesn't know how to deal with this thing. It doesn't matter if you are innocent or guilty, your presences affects him. If you really appreciate James and see him as a friend and human being, like he says he sees you, and not like a platform to your own success, leave him alone.Vagabundork (Chaos Magick-User)https://www.blogger.com/profile/10945302216491852035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-17803236558167368982020-07-23T04:17:01.732+08:002020-07-23T04:17:01.732+08:00@dansumption
If an accusation is made the appropr...@dansumption<br /><br />If an accusation is made the appropriate response it only ever one of two things:<br /><br />-Say nothing ("not my circus, not my monkeys")<br />or<br />-Investigate as fully as you can before saying anything (including random personal attacks on the accused)<br /><br />Anyone who does otherwise is a terrible person. Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-81033462422790268062020-07-23T02:47:09.971+08:002020-07-23T02:47:09.971+08:00@noisms
That is an admirable position. @noisms <br /><br />That is an admirable position. PrinceofNothinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11733680486570025367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-82997645087824576672020-07-22T15:49:28.688+08:002020-07-22T15:49:28.688+08:00@Zak
"Friend or no, claiming the accusations...@Zak<br /><br />"Friend or no, claiming the accusations are true is far more fucked up than nearly anything else anyone has ever done in games so far."<br /><br />No idea what you're talking about. I've only gaming again for about 3 months after a gap of 30 years, and I've only discovered the OSR scene in the last month or so. I have seen your name plastered around the RPG scene, I've heard that there are accusations against youbut don't know what they are and am not really interested. All I know is that you have no fans or friends any more, apart perhaps from Raggi. That must suck for you, and it's clear you are a very damaged person. But claiming that the entire OSR scene's failing to come to your aid when you were down is the worst thing that's ever happened in gaming histoy - fuck me, do you have to book extra luggage allowance for your ego whenever you take a flight?<br /><br />Google Gamergate if you want to hear gaming stories more tragic than yours. And try to stop trolling people and get on with fixing your life instead.<br /><br />Nice talking to you again 👋dansumptionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06403248887250857638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-88777860848673927572020-07-22T15:04:18.245+08:002020-07-22T15:04:18.245+08:00@Alexis: Eh? My position here is not that there ar...@Alexis: Eh? My position here is not that there are good people on both sides. My position is that if people want to comment on my blog they are free to do so as long as they don't say anything that I percieve as deliberately trying to get a rise out of me (or are spammers). That's why this discussion is taking place.noismshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09933436762608669966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-36002601845541716542020-07-22T13:51:02.210+08:002020-07-22T13:51:02.210+08:00@Zak
Sure Zak. We'll ignore the "within...@Zak <br /><br />Sure Zak. We'll ignore the "within a stone's throw of respectability" comment or assume a very large throwing range and go with the interpretation that you were implying that while their stance contributed massively to your downfall it is not in fact entirely as bad as drawing a premature or erroneous conclusion (assuming your innocence etc. etc.) from the now<br />available evidence and weighing in on that publically, putting them within that stone's throw. PrinceofNothinghttps://princeofnothingblogs.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-12494525263578261962020-07-22T04:37:28.827+08:002020-07-22T04:37:28.827+08:00It's nice that you can stand up and colloquial...It's nice that you can stand up and colloquially argue that there are good people on both sides, Noisms, but it still looks like you're defending Zak. I wonder that you're not soiled by him, since Raggi obviously thought he'd be.Alexis Smolenskhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10539170107563075967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-64161523084832907812020-07-22T02:23:49.619+08:002020-07-22T02:23:49.619+08:00@Prince
None of that changes what I said. Claimin...@Prince<br /><br />None of that changes what I said. Claiming I did something wrong is fucked up beyond anything James did.Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-76395716456002896652020-07-22T01:05:08.122+08:002020-07-22T01:05:08.122+08:00Frankly, I don't even want to give the links. ...Frankly, I don't even want to give the links. They are not far to seek. If you don't read those blogs and the comments on them, I think you're better off! I had no part of G+, so I didn't see the acrimonious factionalism that you mention, but you noticed at least those qualities. As you said, you don't take it very seriously, which is probably healthy.Tom Van Winklehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00498476328377801884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-30445770539981799062020-07-22T00:46:08.274+08:002020-07-22T00:46:08.274+08:00Where is all of this buillying and racism happenin...Where is all of this buillying and racism happening, exactly? The 'scene', such as it was, was mostly on G+, and that disappeared ages ago. noismshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09933436762608669966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-39903149674036890322020-07-21T23:17:48.512+08:002020-07-21T23:17:48.512+08:00@noisms
Alright I'll cool it with the horsepl...@noisms<br /><br />Alright I'll cool it with the horseplay. <br /><br />@zak<br /><br />Was that reply for me? Deplatformings are a court of public opinion yes? What does it signal if even your publisher, who has admitted that a vast deal of profits come from your work, not only deplatforms you and takes every legal step to separate himself from you, but then comes out six? months later with a passive aggressive module and some put-putting to prepare a road for your possible return but no active effort at getting you replatformed? Why should anyone else risk that heat if he can't even be bothered? <br /><br />The impact of his stance on your predicament is much larger then a rando publisher stating that they believe the accusations levelled against you (which is separate from stating they are true). <br /><br />And that's why your current situation persists, because not one person in the band, when it would have made a difference, stood up for you, or even asked that judgement be withheld until they had all the facts. That's also why JR standing up for you later hasn't made any noticeable difference. PrinceofNothinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11733680486570025367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-73314947385120032192020-07-21T20:51:04.511+08:002020-07-21T20:51:04.511+08:00To an experienced gamer returning after the OSR pa...To an experienced gamer returning after the OSR party was over and just brawls remained amidst a contest to produce "edgy" content, I regret to say that the OSR sure *looks like* a miserable toxic place, overrun by internet troll gamers and fraught with bullying and mutual recriminations over alleged real-world crimes, never mind the racism popping up openly and general politicizing of the hobby. It's not everybody, but it's also not just one or a few people. I've never seen anything like it in the history of RPGs.Tom Van Winklehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00498476328377801884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-10573058758706078672020-07-21T19:47:01.646+08:002020-07-21T19:47:01.646+08:00@dan
Friend or no, claiming the accusations are t...@dan<br /><br />Friend or no, claiming the accusations are true is far more fucked up than nearly anything else anyone has ever done in games so far.Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-59057093837750570242020-07-21T17:58:12.407+08:002020-07-21T17:58:12.407+08:00Thank you @noisms, very well put.Thank you @noisms, very well put.dansumptionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06403248887250857638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-19020157686535628402020-07-21T17:13:29.713+08:002020-07-21T17:13:29.713+08:00I'm prepared to let you guys squabble and spli...I'm prepared to let you guys squabble and split hairs as much as you like, but can you please at least do it without pretending that arguments on the internet have anything to do with manliness? noismshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09933436762608669966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-82832753614087153092020-07-21T17:12:34.356+08:002020-07-21T17:12:34.356+08:00I thought Vornheim was one of the single most usef...I thought Vornheim was one of the single most useful RPG books I've bought. It has some great tools in it. <br /><br />I also thought Seclusion of Orphone was a scandalous missed opportunity. <br /><br />But all this is a matter of taste. I suppose the broader point is that these are products which we are at least talking about, whereas most OSR stuff doesn't even get over that low hurdle. noismshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09933436762608669966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-35010924919683763252020-07-21T17:10:06.617+08:002020-07-21T17:10:06.617+08:00I think you are attributing too much to one person...I think you are attributing too much to one person. The scene was acrimonious and factional because all scenes are - it's that "narcissism of small differences" problem. noismshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09933436762608669966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-27413959394631453282020-07-21T15:40:58.120+08:002020-07-21T15:40:58.120+08:00@zak
Oh this is going to be fun. You also wrote &...@zak<br /><br />Oh this is going to be fun. You also wrote "he didn't lie about a friend to save his own skin. That is more then you can say about literally the rest of the osr publishing companies." First you imply that friendship exacerbates the offence of lying, which is true since it requires betrayal of trust, and then you imply that the rest of the osr publishers either were your friend and lied or did not tell the truth about some friend of theirs as opposed to James, who did. Based on the near total absence of support for your cause even now I'd suggest the first conclusion is probably false, and the second is irrelevant. Your publisher's relationship with you brings with it far more obligations in this regard then that of a publisher that has no direct ties with you, and therefore no strong obligation to speak out. Your deplatforming is not the moral axis by which all publishers can be judged equally, since their moral obligation differs hugely. <br /><br />The fact your publisher, one of the few gateways to legitimacy that are still open for you, who is now on lifesupport, takes a wavering stance that maybe your deplatforming was unjustified, is much more damaging then someone on the other corner of the internet not bothering with something that has little impact to it. <br /><br />Are we now going to quibble about the meaning of the word 'responsibly' or do you want to take of those shoes and get this mudwrestling contest going like a man?<br /><br /><br /><br /> PrinceofNothinghttps://princeofnothingblogs.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-46024838974427784392020-07-21T12:15:05.627+08:002020-07-21T12:15:05.627+08:00I and many others temporarily withdrew from the en...I and many others temporarily withdrew from the entire scene because of how acrimonious and factional it had become, and Zak was the #1 cause of that. He continues to cast a shadow over the scene to this day, knowing that he is obsessively reading everything we write about him and potentially planning to sue us if we repeat the allegations against him. So I think the Candyman analogy is quite apt, but maybe not for the reasons you were using it.Will B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/08203472570108282161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-46301519461011372142020-07-21T07:03:54.901+08:002020-07-21T07:03:54.901+08:00"Vincent Baker's Seclusium of Orphone is ..."Vincent Baker's Seclusium of Orphone is really, really excellent"<br /><br />lolZak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-25583200578923268902020-07-21T06:34:11.150+08:002020-07-21T06:34:11.150+08:00@PrinceOfNothing
Yes. And everyone else was -even...@PrinceOfNothing<br /><br />Yes. And everyone else was -even worse than that- . <br /><br />Did he act responsibly? No. But I wrote " the only OSR publisher to have been --within even a stone's throw--- of acting responsibly"<br /><br />But we all know you never did read carefully, nor do most OSR people.Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.com