tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post5512121973024003603..comments2024-03-29T06:16:21.012+08:00Comments on Monsters and Manuals: Wherein I Drink Kool-AidUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-8509924378340386822011-09-12T17:39:25.885+08:002011-09-12T17:39:25.885+08:00PS or an iPhone?PS or an iPhone?anarchisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05546197561922726279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-20101466063685929642011-09-12T17:38:59.629+08:002011-09-12T17:38:59.629+08:00"We dream the same dream, we want the same th..."We dream the same dream, we want the same thing, people."<br /><br />The indie kids' girlfriends?anarchisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05546197561922726279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-53869453630132228082011-09-11T00:00:38.503+08:002011-09-11T00:00:38.503+08:00I know that it totally is possible to run apocolyp...I know that it totally is possible to run apocolypse world style interpersonal stuff in WOD, I've seen it done.<br /><br />At every turn though the game kept sticking things in people's way:<br /><br />The resources rules were completely borked, and led to a lot of real world bitching when people did manuveuring stuff only to find that they didn't have the bargaining position they thought they had, because everyone's resources are determined independently.<br /><br />Apoc world on the other hand has fundimental scarcities and a barter system built in, as well as a deals/blackmail type system, so you can actually do that stuff.<br /><br />Also some players never found out anything about various plots, finding themselves suddenly dead, whereas apoc world has knowledge-finding systems that are just powerful enough to work out someone's messing with you, so players are more likely to conflict in each others faces and just behind each other's backs. Also, it's way more awesome to set up a trap that results in "half your gang have joined my cult, including the guy who knows where you hid __'s stuff" rather than "you're dead"!<br /><br />And some little thing, in vampire, one of the classic social disciplines means that everyone avoids eye contact. This is crap for emotional stuff! Apoc world on the other hand has rules for consequences if characters have sex. I think adding risk to sex instead of eye contact is probably a better way to go!Josh Wnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-85380676443644943582011-09-10T23:55:03.832+08:002011-09-10T23:55:03.832+08:00Yep, that's why I love both!
Although I feel ...Yep, that's why I love both!<br /><br />Although I feel like when we've got these games humming really well, with a massive body of knowledge so any random can come in and play the games we like, someone should try to make the autocrat/archmanipulator games work too: Make games that are honestly about some guy trying to wrangle a specific story out of various people's actions.<br /><br />But there's no rush, we can do some crazy stuff in the meantime!Josh Wnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-12127173007407544802011-09-08T01:40:14.814+08:002011-09-08T01:40:14.814+08:00Marcus,
This style of play is possible with any ru...Marcus,<br />This style of play is possible with any rules system; it really relies on mutual goodwill between players and referee more than anything. It is, however, easier to achieve if the rules either leave a lot of leeway (as most "old school" rulesets do) or actually support such play (as many "story game" rulesets do). Rulesets like 4E don't fall into either category, so they're less useful; a group could achieve an "improv, player-oriented game" with such rules, but in the end it will probably be easier to use a ruleset that's more conducive to such goals.John Harper Brinegarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17592827787099084705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-13579489244798623102011-09-07T22:22:45.751+08:002011-09-07T22:22:45.751+08:00Great post! But I also wonder if it would not be p...Great post! But I also wonder if it would not be possible to play in a similar style in one of those "top heavy" games like 4th Ed or WoD. In which case you come back to the premise that the game itself is less important than the individual players & GM.<br /><br />I can't speak to whether or not this is possible in 4th or WoD, having played neither. But it at least looks like you could run an improv, player oriented game in WoD with the right combination of people. 4th Ed. might be more of a challenge.Marcushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06415810337505064345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-38371774182522658412011-09-07T17:58:12.183+08:002011-09-07T17:58:12.183+08:00Well, there are reasons why I blog about both old ...Well, there are reasons why I blog about both old school stuff and Forge-y stuff. There are a lot of things I like in both, often speaking to the same discourse of enabling the right kind of play.AndreasDavourhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17170806742393291962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-47161751560610814362011-09-07T15:35:01.589+08:002011-09-07T15:35:01.589+08:00I have a weird outsider feeling about this. I pret...I have a weird outsider feeling about this. I pretty much stopped roleplaying in 1995, and at that time I thought "we should be doing more with this medium. It's time we started theorizing things a bit, analyzing what the fun bits are and why. And wouldn't it be cool to make a game where you deal with plot points, not rooms or magic items, in a gamey way?" Then 15 years went by and I became "old school" by dint of being old and inattentive, and when I looked up again there'd been this revolution I was kinda hoping for, though not quite the one I thought of, and it had made lots of people angry on both sides, in a way that just bemused me.<br />/navelgazing.<br /><br />So yeah, hear hear from here too, but I confess I've never had any idea what the fight was about.richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13517340075234811323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-45659242370381115582011-09-07T12:06:11.177+08:002011-09-07T12:06:11.177+08:00Welcome to the other side. Stay awhile. We've ...Welcome to the other side. Stay awhile. We've baking cookies.Adam Dicksteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04840144928096089178noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-3467390081092259802011-09-07T09:24:49.309+08:002011-09-07T09:24:49.309+08:00Your characterization of the consonant extremes ha...Your characterization of the consonant extremes has warmed my undead heart.gdbackushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09245941451462450346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-43301278805262407572011-09-07T06:07:53.261+08:002011-09-07T06:07:53.261+08:00Team not time that is. Damn smartphone.Team not time that is. Damn smartphone.Chris Kutalikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01414743509426875792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-28912248616201628712011-09-07T06:06:56.463+08:002011-09-07T06:06:56.463+08:00Hear, hear. I think I will buy some-less skinny je...Hear, hear. I think I will buy some-less skinny jeans as a peace offering. Oh no wait, what time was I on?Chris Kutalikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01414743509426875792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-26237470970275925082011-09-07T06:00:53.460+08:002011-09-07T06:00:53.460+08:00Planning to have another session some timesoon? So...Planning to have another session some timesoon? Sorry I couldn't make it!<br />NAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-14330671250970178422011-09-07T05:24:45.862+08:002011-09-07T05:24:45.862+08:00Yep, well said!Yep, well said!thekelvingreenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01928260185408072124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2513019539869706574.post-49422213226875433302011-09-07T05:22:06.520+08:002011-09-07T05:22:06.520+08:00Bravo.Bravo.lizahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09786809318270279916noreply@blogger.com