Wednesday, 4 September 2024

The Sun as an Evil God


I was recently listening to a podcast in which (to paraphrase) it was stated that CS Lewis had once said that he could not imagine there existing a human poet who could use the sun as an image of evil. 

Lewis was referring to the fact that sun gods are basically always benevolent and central in human mythology, for the obvious reason that human beings have always known themselves to be totally reliant on the sun. But this immediately got the cogs of my mind whirring in a 'challenge accepted' sort of way: what would a civilisation look like which understood the sun to be an evil god?

Well, what if that civilisation existed on the planet Mercury, where the sun's light and heat would be totally destructive of human life? This would, as it happens, chime very nicely with my recent thoughts about a fantasy version of Mercury as a D&D sword-and-planet setting, and its 'vanished moon'.

The central conceit: the sun is actually an evil god for the planet Mercury; the setting is also haunted by the existence of a vanished moon, which is understood by the different Mercurial cultures in various cadences as a mysterious symbol of goodness. 

General thoughts:

  • This a sword-and-planet setting so there is no reason for it to incorporate any hard SF elements, but it is notable that Mercury in effect has a day lasting 88 earth days (and a night with the same corresponding length). The number 88 has a nice symmetry, obviously, but what I like about this is that implies the existence of nomadic surface-based civilisations which travel around in the cold night, permanently staying ahead of the sun and presumably herding all sorts of exotic alien migratory animals.
  • It probably goes without saying that on the sunny side of Mercury there are continuously summoned into being various light-and-heat demons who sometimes stray into the dark side to run amok. Perhaps there are even entire evil nomadic civilisations which are the counterparts to those on the dark side.
  • There would also likely be cultures which make their homes underground, so as to have some stability. Mercury also has permanent ice caps because there are large polar areas which are always shrouded in shadow due to cratering (one of these craters is even named after Tolkien), so one could envisage the existence of glacier-cities.
  • The inhabitants would probably navigate by echolocation or perhaps just having the ability to see in the dark; maybe this indeed represents some fundamental division, with Mercurial dwarves and elves using innate magical sight, and humans navigating by sound. Althought a competing possibility would be that the human population navigates using sight and has to try to conjure or create light sources in order to survive. 
  • Good is represented by the absent moon, but this reveals itself in many different ways in different cultural contexts - one culture might be ruled by a feudal network of 'moon knights' who purport to protect the people from the demons of light-and-heat, whereas another might have a traditional religion hinged around the veneration of (long disappeared) lycanthropes, and be characterised by its people taking on the aspect of a wolf, bear, etc. in imitation of lycanthropy. 
  • It may also be the case that there are beings which are capable of surviving both Mercurial day and Mercurial night, or perhaps of living in the liminal space between the two, at Mercurial dawn and Mercurial dusk. Indeed, it is possible to imagine people being able to live in one of those crepuscular states, having enough light to live by, and continuously moving so as to stay one step ahead of the morning (or night). 


42 comments:

  1. Ignoring the content of your post, I've always somewhat appreciated the take of the sun as an evil oppressive force, because it's looming with an oppressive gaze all day for your entire life and yet even from childhood you're told to never, ever look at it lest you see something man was not meant to wot and burn yer eyes out.

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    1. Yes, interesting idea - almost an Eye of Sauron motif.

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    2. Don't forget that lovely thing called SKIN CANCER!

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  2. Perhaps if these Mercurians ever come into contact with Terrans, they'll be shocked to learn that the burning Oppressor that they fear is worshipped as a jolly, warm Benefactor.

    The way real life siblings sometimes have seemingly contradictory experiences of their parents.

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  3. In the Fallen London setting, the sun is *like* an evil deity. All stars are enforcers of the Law, but underground - where the sun can't see you - you can break the Law, which is why your character can cheat death, but once you die once, you can never return to the surface because as soon as a star sees you again they're like "Hey wait you should be dead."

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    1. Interesting. I had never heard of that one.

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    2. Fallen London has crazy lore. One of the main plot point is that our sun has sent a messenger with a love letter to another sun. The response was unpleasant so the messenger is hiding on earth because he believes our sun could die of sadness. Also the messenger trades with the queen Victoria the city of London in exchange for Albert's life for some reason.

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    3. Adding to the above: The messenger is assembling love stories, especially super dramatic/tragic ones, and its agents aren't afraid to go out of their way to manufacture such stories among humans.

      Also of note are the setting's two artificial clockwork suns that Londoners have built. Both of them are very bad for you, in that the smaller one (underground) tries to control your brain and the other one (in space, near the corpse of a dead sun) slowly vitrifies everything its light touches (although the latter effect is greatly tempered by greater distance).

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  4. In Glorantha if you’re one of the Storm-worshipping hill barbarians (i.e. the default PC background) the Sun is a rather malevolent deity.

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    1. Again we confront my ignorance of Glorantha. One day.... one day....

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  5. I think only someone from a cool and cloudy clime would never conceive of the Sun as an evil god. Some of us think of it that way all the time (or at least the 8 months of summer). Life stops when the sun is up, and only resumes at dusk when the temperatures become tolerable again.

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  6. 5E not OSR, but of interest
    https://forums.giantitp.com/showthread.php?443306-quot-Pelor-the-Burning-Hate-quot-(from-Wizards-forum)

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    1. Amazing that forum still exists and is still lively.

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  7. The infamous comic artist Dave Sim speculated that the sun is Hell. After all, on Judgment Day (millions and millions of years in the future), it will have expanded enough to roast the earth, burning the souls of the damned trapped on this material plane due to their inability to get into heaven. A real joke on sun worshippers. And he apparently really believed this! - Jason Bradley Thompson

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    1. Is that kind of the plot of the Book of the New Sun?

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  8. Taking away the requirement of light for vision would be a mistake! People need light but one of the only ways to get it is by taming the evil light/heat demons. In one go you have crazed, power-mad sorcerers and rampaging demons.

    This also could explain the necessity of the evil sun god in the cosmology, as it is the source of sight (and possibly knowledge). But knowledge is inherently dangerous if not outright evil.

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  9. No human poet could use the sun as an image of evil? Jack Vance. The Dying Earth. Go a little further in the time scale, have the sun in its deaththroes and bingo. But specifically an evil solar deitiy? Moloch in Flaubert's Salammbô and the rites of human sacrifice at the fiery tophet. Wich feeds deacades of the use of this baloney god as a manifestation of malevolence. So, sure, its is a phony construction - but it shows that us territorial beings can accept that the Other Peoples sun god could be evil against Our Particular sun god.

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    1. Well - but do the Carthaginians in Salammbo believe their God to be evil?

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    2. As far as the text go, Id say yes! It seems to suggest that Falubert's version of the Carthaginians consider all gods to be "evil', or so alien and "neutral" as to evil to eyes of men - divinity as a form o tyranny, or at least a rule of "the stronger". An excerpt, wich hints at divinities that create for no other purpose than to rule, and selfishly:

      "Then the Carthaginians, reflecting upon the cause of their disasters, remembered that they had not dispatched to Phoenicia the annual offering due to Tyrian Melkarth, and a great terror came upon them. The gods were indignant with the Republic, and were, no doubt, about to prosecute their vengeance.

      They were considered as cruel masters, who were appeased with supplications and allowed themselves to be bribed with presents. All were feeble in comparison with Moloch the Devourer. The existence, the very flesh of men, belonged to him; and hence in order to preserve it, the Carthaginians used to offer up a portion of it to him, which calmed his fury. Children were burned on the forehead, or on the nape of the neck, with woollen wicks; and as this mode of satisfying Baal brought in much money to the priests, they failed not to recommend it as being easier and more pleasant."

      This time, however, the Republic itself was at stake. But as every profit must be purchased by some loss, and as every transaction was regulated according to the needs of the weaker and the demands of the stronger, there was no pain great enough for the god, since he delighted in such as was of the most horrible description, and all were now at his mercy. He must accordingly be fully gratified. Precedents showed that in this way the scourge would be made to disappear. Moreover, it was believed that an immolation by fire would purify Carthage."

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    3. Fair point. I've read Salammbo and really liked it but had largely forgotten that element of things.

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    4. Just to add a final tought on that, Druillet's crazy comicbook version of it also looks eminently OSR-ifable. Very Sword-and-Planet:

      https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fartwork-by-french-comic-artist-philippe-druillet-from-his-v0-3w3b6k38dn0a1.jpg%3Fwidth%3D749%26format%3Dpjpg%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3Daf27980a6efb4c46ae68939831b8073c158f78d8

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    5. I think Patrick Stuart wrote a blog entry about that some time ago?

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  10. It curses men with black lesions that spread and consume the body. You must protect yourself with thick ritual ointments of zinc. Tales of mad barbarian sun-siders that strip naked and coat themselves in oil to amplify the blessing of their hateful god, their skin is said to be as thick as hide!

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  11. My pet pantheon has a not exactly evil but certainly not good solar deity the The Queen in Splendour. She's a goddess of light, truth, growth, order and civilization along with all of the evils that come with that such as oppression, regimentation, lack of privacy, etc. Her role is that of an overbearing mother who always knows what is best for you.

    This is in contrast with The Man in the Moon who is a cold and uncaring father figure (mix of Odin/Herne the Hunter/folkloric Satan) who loves secrets and testing people. Rounding out the trinity is The Lady in Green sort of a mysterious Lady of the Lake/Hecate figure who is the goddess of opposites, contradictions, and all things out of place.

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  12. Well, the stupidity of Christian propagandists never fails to amaze. %)) Just a few years before those words, also a Christian but much better educated and quite well -known clearly notes that for cultures born in climates less cold than temperate an image of Sun is necessarily much more ambivalent and Angry Sun Gods are ones you want to keep as far from as you can!
    Don't remember the exact words, sorry, but can't recommend Chesterton 's Father Brown stories enough anyway. ;)
    Also, THE example of Evil Pagan Gods (tm) for every Christian propagandist for a long time was always Mesoamerican ones. And which one of those you especially needed to keep fed with human blood, can you guess? ;)
    And also, bloody Homer ! THE starting scene - what does freaking Apollo do in it ?! ;) Any fornicating European gent who wanted to state himself educated at the time - had to read it! Especially as Schliemann 's discoveries were so recent... But I guess he just preferred to bear the stick for bad school grades to reading actually good poetry. Figures. %))
    So, not much of a challenge if it was done almost 3K years back? And then repeatedly throughout history? ;))
    Mike

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    1. I would note that in terms of levels of formal education, the Oxford don Lewis beats Chesterton, though I'm fond of both. 'The Eye of Apollo' is a fine story.

      'THE example of Evil Pagan Gods (tm) for every Christian propagandist for a long time was always Mesoamerican ones.' - Was it 'THE example'? I don't recall reference to them in any of Lewis's apologetics, for instance. Far more familiar (from there and elsewhere) are Moloch and Baal - the Evil Pagan Gods directly condemned in the Old Testament.

      I think we can be fairly certain that Lewis had read his Homer, even if it wasn't his area of expertise. Apollo, of course, is responding to the misdeeds of Agamemnon. We might think Apollo (Destroyer of Mice) as heavy-handed here - did Homer?

      Foolish of me, I suspect, to rush to defend a reported paraphrase of Lewis - though it strikes me as foolish to rush to assail it.

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  13. I'm inclined to think of a sun-fearing Mercurial species having certain tendencies towards torpor and hibernation. Perhaps they would drug their livestock to follow the same patterns. And if they have that ability with drugs and potions, then perhaps the less-than-scrupulous could brew something to keep them up when society at large is sleeping....

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    1. Maybe the drug-taking hibernators and travelling nomads are perennial rivals... just like real-world pastoralists and agriculturalists.

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  14. "Since the beginning of time, man has yearned to destroy the sun" -- C. Montgomery Burns.

    The sun is the quintessential abusive leader. It knows we cannot live without it -- it's not just saying that, it's a truth -- and we depend upon it for our very survival; yet it torments us with heat storms, oppressive temperatures, droughts, glare that damages our most important sensory organs. What are you going to do, humans? Leave my orbit? You won't last a suddenly non-existent day (that's right, your very means of measuring time pay homage to *me*). I am your only option, and if I want to throw a flare your way and destroy your power grid, I might do it. Here, have some more radiation. One day I'll get bored and just swell up into a red giant and there's nothing you can do about it.

    Maybe a sun sabotages any efforts by its system's native life to develop interstellar travel, because that would threaten its tyrannical control.

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    1. The sun is a bit like a vagueposter, I think. 'Look at me... but not too directly'.

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  15. Glorantha and Fallen London/Sunless Seas both have fairly similar takes on the Sun-as-Villain: the sun is the cosmic king who rules the world, and your characters are marginalised enough (as barbarians in Glorantha, as humans in Fallen London) that asserting any kind of agency requires defying him in some way.

    In both cases actually defeating the sun and ushering in cosmic anarchy is presented as understandable but disastrous. Glorantha puts it in pre-history so you can admire Orlanth for both killing the sun and for bringing him back, while Sunless Sea forces you to ask whether you would really prefer the Liberation of Night to staying at the bottom of the cosmic food chain.

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    1. Now I'm reminded of Ibsen. 'The sun, the sun....'

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  16. Were you the one who suggested that a planet with such fatally distinct transitions between day and night would be a good excuse for dungeon-crawling? It takes you 176 days to loop around to where you're standing now, and you'll have at most 88 days there (and probably less, if you're driving herd animals and can't afford to really wait around forever). Perhaps as your track gently spirals northwards and southwards over the years, it might be generations before you reach a given spot once more. "We never used to raid the barrows of the Day-People, but they started to raid *our* barrows, the bastards, so now we basically don't have a choice. Go in there and see if they left their honored dead with any horrible sunside-treasures, but mind the demons and booby traps, and don't take more than 72 hours," that sort of thing.

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    1. I don't know about fatal distinctions but I did write a series of posts roughly on that theme. You can find them here: https://monstersandmanuals.blogspot.com/search/label/the%20city%20shining

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  17. Ever since I read this post, it hasn't left my head. So much so that I intended to run a one, maybe two, shots in a Mercury following your line of thought. Already spent some days reading about the planet, something that I didn't do ever since I left school.
    However, I'm pushing it more towards the polar caps being holy places (and all races being some kind of dwarf, because they are cool) in opposition of heat demons and their evil sun. I would flip light/dark vision. Dwarves see in the dark, but can't see much in the light, it hurts their eyes. Water is sacred, ice is holy and beverages are communion. Everydwarf were once like the Storm Pantheon from Glorantha and now, you need to go to a ruin and find something from the ages where we weren't nomads in the night.

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