I took my kids to the local shopping mall the other day and we went into the Lego shop to play with the Duplo. And there, in the window, I saw this:
I must be going soft in my old age, but I was surprised to discover that I do not hate this. Indeed, I am sure that if I was 10 years old, I would have absolutely loved it. I would not have loved the price (£315 bloody quid!!); I can still remember gazing longingly at Lego pirate boats as a small boy and knowing that there was no way my parents would have been able to afford them. And the way in which poor kids are increasingly priced out of hobbies by the geek chic arms race does irk me; one of the big problems associated with the prevalence of nerd pursuits among adults with comparatively large disposable incomes is a gradual inflation of cost that pulls up the drawbridge to ordinary children without deep-pocketed parents. But, I do have to confess that there is still a small part of me that finds it possible to get excited at the thought of playing with Lego, and that in that regard D&D Lego is kind of a no-brainer.
This, though, got me wondering. Even when I was a child I can remember my dad venting about the direction in which Lego had gone. The nature of his complaint was that real Lego, ironman Lego as it were, should just involve the basic standard Lego pieces with which we are all familiar. To utilise those simple, orthodox building blocks for all of one's building needs was, in his view, the mark of proper creative Lego use. The fitting together of pre-moulded chunks of plastic to make things like the dragon's wings, or the tree trunk, or the beholder's head and eye-stalks, was to him an anathema. It was 'cheating'. If one wanted to make a Lego dragon, say, then one ought to do it with the standard bits. Otherwise one was a mere hack - engaging in the act of building merely to pass the time.
That must have been in the late 80s. Goodness knows what he would have made of the Lego kits that are available now. I concede that he may have adopted this line of argument as a way of kidding me into not nagging him to buy expensive pirate boats. But I think it was based on a genuine desire to imagine Lego not as a mere toy but also as a tool to boost lateral thinking and creativity. As fun as it looks to put together the D&D Lego diorama shown above, it is a creative straightjacket; you can't really do more with it than just follow the instructions. My dad wasn't into just following instructions, and I can see now that I must have inherited something of that sensibility. I prefer the idea of putting bricks together to realise an idea of one's own.
This is all, though, a roundabout way of saying: presumably there are people out there who are of the mindset as my old man, and who refuse to partake in modern Lego's embrace of the pre-mould. There must be Lego enthusiasts - call them the OSR of Lego, as it were - who like to stick to first principles and will only build things out of the basic, standard bricks and old-fashioned smiley-faced men. This has to be the case, doesn't it? Fly, my pretties, and see what you can unearth.
I am not a Lego guy myself ("Playpeople" AKA "Playmobil" all the way, as a kid--until I got the Star Wars bug) but:
ReplyDelete1. there was an interesting paper doing the rounds about the changing expressions on Lego faces--Bartneck, Christoph, Mohammad Obaid and Karolina Zawieska. “The Emotional Expressions of LEGO Minifigure Faces.” (2012). I cannot for the life of me see where it was actually published. You might have more luck with your access to academic databases.
2. "[O]ld-fashioned smiley-faced men"? Back in my day, they didn't even have faces. Or moveable limbs. That was all new-fangled nonsense that subtracted from the purity of the original designs! I hereby pronounce the first schism in the OSR of Lego! (😉)
https://www.reddit.com/r/lego/comments/s00mth/a_neighbor_gifted_me_with_a_tub_full_of_1970s/
Don't get me started on the emotional expressions of the figures lately....
DeleteFull paper can be found at: https://www.minifigure.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/bartneckMinfigureEmotionalExpression.pdf
DeleteThere's also a link on "Semantic Scholar" but I just discovered that it's "AI-powered," so I will not be linking to _that_.
Neither link gives any indication where the paper was actually published and I can't find it with a quick search in JSTOR.
Thanks for that. My opposition to it is based on the fact that the different expressions are not only way over-the-top but are also varied. Perversely, just having the bog standard smiley face for all pieces meant you could imagine them having any emotion whatsoever. Because they nowadays have different facial expressions it makes the expression itself seem more 'fixed'.
DeleteI played with them growing up, spent some time building in contests and with my kids as an adult. Some folks only build with the basic blocks and do some great things. But there's very few, if any, who think that this is only way it should be done or that's it better than utilizing specialty pieces.
ReplyDeleteIn fact, taking specialty pieces and using them in a new way is considered a sign of a "master builder." It's not easy. Folks will take some special pieces, like the wings of a tetradactyl, and use them as wings of a space fighter with it looking actually like a part of the ship and really cool.
This guy is an absolute master at it and I think eventually became an employee of Lego: https://www.flickr.com/photos/olog/
I guess an equivalent of this in D&D would be reskinning bits of a module, setting, etc. and seamlessly integrating it into your own campaign or adventure, maybe taking something from a sci-fi or modern setting and integrating it into a D&D setting.
Interesting - it would never have occurred to me that there are contests, but....of course there are!
DeleteWhen my older boy first got into LEGO about 12 years ago, I was annoyed that it was impossible to find a set of just basic pieces. But we got him some Star Wars and LEGO City sets, eventually a knockoff (Oxford Blocks) castle. Then a few years later I was happy to find one of those basic "big box of bricks" sets, because my son was already pulling apart the designed stuff to build original ideas. The set of general bricks DID inspire him to make all kinds of things.
ReplyDeleteI notice this with Duplo. It seems to be easier to get one's hands on big boxes of Duplo bricks, and it really does inspire creativity.
DeleteSeen the Lego Movie? It directly tackles the division between kit-makers and creative play. Although it doesn't renounce prefab pieces as utterly as your dad apparently did.
ReplyDeleteI don't think I've seen a newly released film since early 2017!
DeleteI think we are probably close to the same age, I might be a few years younger, but I do remember those transition years and even then I did feel somewhat cheated when the big pirate ships and space ships came with the large pieces to make the hulls, wings, etc. And I do have my grumpy old man rants in the toy section about the state of Lego these days. Right now my kids have all my old loose generic blocks to play with, but I still have all my old Lego sets (of which there are many) partially disassembled (still with instruction manuals) in bins in the basement waiting for them when get a little older.
ReplyDeleteMy mum still retains some of my old sets for when my kids visit her - stuff like a pirate island, a Robin Hood tree house, a castle, etc. It brings back fond memories, but there was definitely a sense then that it was transforming from a hobby about using your creativity to build things, to one which was about achieving a good set-up.
DeleteMy best friend and did a lot with Lego, mostly his sets as he was an only child. We both built all kinds of wacky things and played adventures with them. We combined two pirate ship sets he had into one epic ship and played a multigenerational saga of "captain Robert" and his descendants going on lots of wacky adventures. We played out an epic world spanning world war 3 combing army men with skeleton Legos with fire spears in an undead apocalypse using huge poster maps of the world and the us.
ReplyDeleteSo yeah I think Legos are best when building your own thing. Yet the sets provide unique pieces that can be combined and allow for more creativity in building something specific. Usually we would build the model, and then a couple weeks later tear it down to use for parts. And the individual minofigs mixing and matching to make our own people definitely played into our creativity.
This is true - in the end kids are always going to use whatever is availabe to indulge in imaginative play.
DeleteI remember there being candy legos that were just awful... chalky, and couldn't snap together without breaking
ReplyDeleteCandy legos??? What fresh hell is this?
DeleteThese were the primary decoration on my birthday cake when I turned 8 or 9.
DeleteI suppose it depends on where the creative impulse is directed -- to the relationship between pieces, from which any number of constructs might emerge, or to the relationship between constructs, from which any sort of narrative might emerge. If some constructs are pre-defined and others are completely original, there are even more avenues for imagination. My sister, our friend and I used to spend many hours playing the Lego Wars. This was a cooperative free-for-all in which each of us children built a civilization and an army, and then played a "battle". The cast of characters would engage in all manner of shared subplots and work their way through an advancing story. At times we invited others to join us, but that never really worked, because they weren't on the same wavelength. It must have been frustrating for these occasional guests, how their actions and decisions were resisted when the three of us also made it up as we went. The point was that to us three, the goal was to tell a fun, shared story; most people seemed to think the point was to "win". (Actually, it reminds me of creating fake pokemon cards. An average card should have, say, 50 HP and an attack that does, say, 30 damage for two energy cards. Almost invariably, other children would make ridiculous cards with 200 HP and over-powered, under-cost attacks). The Lego Wars used a mix of traditional Lego blocks and a few themed sets, which led to a lot of blending -- familiar characters and contexts lifted partially and placed in bizarre contexts with original characters. Of course, just as often we took what was obviously Darth Vader or Harry Potter and decided it was someone entirely new and different.
ReplyDeleteYes, that makes sense.
DeleteThis is an interesting observation. I remember one of my colleagues, who was from Italy, and wanted to move back there, and therefore was selling all the Lego sets of his kids, making a similar remark. However, my kids (now 24 and 22) always saw all sets as the start of a design process, in which they made their own versions, or even completely new sets, out of the provided pieces. And if you have an eye for it, you can already see some of the possibilities in, and with, the Lego pieces in this set. I haven;t got a good look at it yet, but I think the lower jaw of the Beholder might become the top of a Mimic, for instance.
ReplyDeleteWhat I also heard/read somewhere is that the ability, or at least the willingness, to engage with the Lego pieces other than the instructions in the manual, is apparently a cultural thing. As I remember it, it seems that primarily people in North- and West- Europe, and in the USA and Canada, do their own construction. In other parts of the world, they apparently only build the model, and play with that. This was, at least for me, reinforced when my Italian colleague wanted to know what my kids would use the bricks for, as some of the models were no longer complete, and thus his kids no longer played with them.
Yes, I can see how you could get an 'eye for it' as you put it. Makes sense.
DeleteAs someone from South-East Europe, I'll offer an anecdotal counterexample to that, and say that intuitively that division doesn't make sense to me: it's basically the rich West vs. others, and I'd expect that the poorer you are (while still having a fair access to Legos, obviously), the more pressure there would be to jury rig and recombine. That was my experience at least, you'd be aware of all these Lego sets and ideas from the catalogues, but you'd only have access to a select few, so you had to DIY. I was tailoring sails from notebook paper, because I never did get to own the famous pirate ship.
DeleteI understand what you mean but it amazes me when people say things like 'the rich West' as though that's true across the board. Your experience of seeing Lego sets in catalogues and not being able to afford them is precisely my experience and that of everyone I knew growing up. It's not as though ordinary people in Britain had much money in the 80s either!
DeleteI didn't mean to imply that it was or is true across the board, and I know from other posts that your own experience was different, but at the level of cultural tendencies, I don't think it's unusual or unfair to generalise "North- and West- Europe, and [...] USA and Canada" as "the rich West", is it?
DeleteI also wasn't saying I think the claim was wrong, only that my own experience and intuition were opposite.
Sorry if that was a bit snippy. It might not be unusual to generalise but I think the USA can be separated out on its own. I read recently that Britain is poorer than every US state except Mississippi if you take away London. I reckon the same is true of most of France, Belgium, etc. if you take away the elite megacities.
Deleteyou say you "can't do much with this except follow the instructions" and that's, like, palpably not true. the beholder's eye-stalks, for example, are made out of the same pieces that get used as hot-rod exhausts a lot.
ReplyDeleteJudges Guild published an adventure that told you how to build the dungeon using Lego blocks, although it didn't use the trademark name. I bought a bunch of basic Lego blocks so my kid and I could make this dungeon because all the modern sets we had didn't have enough 2x4s. Looking at a list of JG publications does not jog my memory as to which adventure this was. I do remember it did not make a compelling argument for why one should build dungeons out of Legos. Neither did we conclude that things were better when basic blocks were all there were, although I grew up when Lego people were not mini and had featureless yellow heads. My kid did greatly enjoy a friend's Brick Quest games in which defeating an enemy allows one to add their parts to one's own minifig, like a crack cocaine version of looting bodies so one can buy better gear.
ReplyDeleteLego would once have been a cheaper alternative to minis and tabletop scenery but maybe not at today's prices...
DeleteMichael Chabon has an essay about the difference in how Legos were when he was young vs what he's experiencing with his own kids and his change in attitude toward the new Lego aesthetic. I thought it was a good read. Not exactly about an OSR for Legos but it explores the impulse to prefer an older or original version and be repelled by the updated, more commercial, later iterations.
ReplyDeleteAnyhow, it's called "To Legoland Station" and I think it can be found online (or it's in the collection Manhood for Amateurs)
Cool - thanks. I ike Chabon a lot.
DeleteWe were not well off, and I suppose LEGO would have been cheaper in Denmark than in the UK at the time, but I had the small pirate isle and the Knights castle and absolutely loved it to be death. I also had a basket of generic blocks that were used to the full, often to restructure those two in different ways.
ReplyDeleteThere's plenty of room for creativity without having to go full blank canvas.
There is indeed an OSR of Lego. There was a talk about it by Frankie Roberto at Interesting North, the conference I helped to run in 2010:
ReplyDeletehttps://vimeo.com/17187401
The OSR of Lego sounds like it could be the name of a prog-rock album.
DeleteI share some aversion to very specialised very large pieces, but the particular set doesn't seem to suffer from that. The dragon isn't "connect dragon head piece to dragon butt piece" or anything like that, its claws are each their own piece, horns are multiple pieces... You could easily come up with novel uses for all those bits, and that's the fun of Lego. In some ways, for me at least, it's even more fun and evocative that coming up with a use for a 2x1 brick. There are sets that use white croissant pieces for column volutes.
ReplyDeleteBut Lego OSR, it's absolutely a thing, and like with the D&D OSR, the company is also cashing in on it.
https://www.lego.com/en-us/product/lion-knights-castle-10305
This recent (I think?) set visibly draws and explicitly mentions inspiration from a popular '80s set.
New:
https://www.lego.com/cdn/cs/set/assets/bltf6e4515c7708ac11/10305-202208-PDP-Block-Standard-6.jpg
Old:
https://www.lego.com/cdn/cs/set/assets/blt61df4525733e74a7/10305-6080-202207-PDP-Content-Block-Standard-4.jpg
Entirely makes sense that this would happen...
DeleteI read somewhere that Lego initially refused to do a castle set back in the day because gray was forbidden as to militaristic. Guess that Star Wars money was to good to let slip cause gray is everywhere now.
ReplyDeleteI have a vague memory of that.
DeleteIn regards to the expense, you might be interested to know that about September there's going to be a line of D&D-branded Collectible Minifigures that will include both specific D&D IP characters and more generic gender-swappable adventurers. Granted $5 each is a bit much for a single figure, it's not a $380 investment.
ReplyDeleteIt's not your father's hobby....
DeleteAs a RPG player and an adult fan of Lego, I do empathize with those who wish the bins of basic blocks were more available, but as a builder of a variety of things with Lego, I have made use of quite a variety of the parts to make my own things. Now sometimes a set builds so nicely that I drop it into my big displays (I have been working on a fantasy "castle" world for almost 20 years now, one of my displays was 15' wide by 5' deep and if I put everything I have now on the table I'd easily fill 25' wide by 5' deep). Other sets are interesting, but I expand them out.
ReplyDeleteWhile it may be true that some of the faces are over the top, there are plenty of faces that are reasonable, and it's nice to consider some unique faces. I also have plenty of 1980s and 1990s faces that have less variety for building up basic troops.
I also love to point out that one of my favorite themes, trains, is impossible without specialty pieces. So sometimes one person's useless specialty piece is a piece another person can't realize their idea without. And those big rock pieces - they make for affordable large cliff faces that look decent even though the same rock pattern is repeated. At some point, your eye sees "huge cliff" and doesn't see the repeated pattern (plus use of a few smaller pieces plus folliage breaks up the repetition).
I'm looking forward to building this D&D set, and then modifying it to fit into my display while keeping it recognizable. It's awesome that my 2nd favorite hobby chose to honor the 50th anniversary of my most favorite hobby. And I look forward to running the adventure they produced for the set with my kids and a friend.