Friday, 28 February 2025

A Troubling Setting Riddled With Orientalist Tropes

 

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This blog post is a warning. There is at loose in the world a nefarious RPG setting book with foul and malevolent contents. Going under the name of Yoon-Suin 2nd edition, it, at first glance, like a particularly successful mimic, appears to 'stand out' as a 'creative and ambitious work' with 'psychedelic art' and 'evocative writing'. 

But this is a masquerade - a sham to fool the unwary. Lurking beneath its surface there are dangers, there is gaslighting, and there is troublingness. The book is in fact so troubling that it is important to say how troubling it is twice. It is indeed positively troublingerous in its implications.

You see, the author (I can confirm the veracity of all of this, since the author is yours truly) does not possess creativity, collaborativeness, or openness-ness. Rather, he is a defensive gaslighter who has repeatedly shown his unwillingness to LEARN FROM CRITIQUE or ENGAGE IN MEANINGFUL COLLABORATION. He is - let me think of a suitable term - a troubling individual who makes troubling inferences. The things that he infers are indeed so troubling that they border on the unforgivable - he even infers things about opium and tea. He is a naughty boy. The OSR community would be better off without him.

I do not recommend you go within a 10' pole's length of a copy of Yoon-Suin 2nd edition. You will be in deep trouble if you do. You might even find yourself:

  • Perpetuating harmful and dangerous stereotypes about slug-men, such as their great propensity for magic, their malign intelligence, their talent for trade and their love of fine fashion
  • Participating in the othering of nasnas, ogre mages, rakhosh (both major and minor) and aphid-men, as well as dozens of other monsters, fully detailed in the bestiary
  • Looking at illustrations which objectify the likes of crab-men, giant arowanas, barnaclids and rhinoceros demnos - penned by the truly remarkably talented maverick, Matt Adams
  • Being gaslit about the real nature of the holes of Láhág, the crystal dragons of Upper Druk Yul, and the original inhabitants of the Old Town neighbourhoods of the Yellow City, as well as many other unsolved mysteries 
  • Getting excited about running a game in a fully realised campaign setting which allows you, through the provision of vast quantities of finely detailed and nested random tables, to make your own unique version of an entire continent's worth of adventure (but in a troubling way)
  • Becoming bewitched by the twelve fully playable adventure locales included in the book, beautifully mapped out by other noted defensive gaslighter, Tom Fitzgerald
  • Being hoodwinked into orientalism by a product which eminent reviewers have said is 'not like anything anybody else could have made or will make', 'probably one of the most impressive gaming supplements (let alone campaign settings) I have ever come across', and 'a labour of wonder'

But don't worry - help is at hand. Having seen the error of my ways after seeing Yoon-Suin 2nd edition repeatedly review-bombed by creative, collaborative and open members of the OSR community, I am coming up with some supplementary products to increase your enjoyment of the book. These include:

  • A new 5th level magic-user spell, Due Diligence, with which you can banish troubling inferences and all discussion of opium and most discussion of tea (tea is permitted a saving throw)
  • A Helm of Being Critical and Engaging in Conversation, to protect readers from the most crass of inferences to real world cultures - and, possibly, to permit you to better understand what the word 'infer' actually means
  • A Wand of One-Star Reviews of Infinite Charges, a Cloak of Anonymity and a Girdle of Cowardice and Snide to allow disappointed purchasers to safely punish the author for his lack of willingness to learn

Above all, though, be forewarned. A print edition is soon to be released and will shortly be available for pre-order! THIS MEANS TROUBLE.

40 comments:

  1. The whole "might have been forgivable if only McGrog had shown a willingness to learn from critique and collaborate meaningfully" bit is the most disgusting part of the whole thing. *If only*, Noisms, you had bent the neck and given them, the Righteous Ones, creative control, *then we might have let this one slip* – but now, it's the blacklist forever for your recalcitrance! The Maoist struggle session is exactly as far away as these fuckwads' distance to power, which is fortunately considerable. But if they could, they would. Rare that one sees such a clear example of who would be the willing lynchers in a totalitarian state.

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    1. That made me laugh as well. I should have collaborated with....who, exactly? The insipid no-marks out there who think there is something genuinely 'troubling' about Yoon-Suin?

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  2. I may need to purchase a copy to verify it's troublingity.

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  3. I couldn't agree more. Yoon-Suin 2nd edition has ruined my life in ways I never imagined. I was once a happy, well-adjusted person with a stable career, healthy relationships, and a respectable array of social obligations. But now? Now, I am a shadow of my former self, a mere puppet manipulated by this RPG setting.

    It started innocently—I skimmed a few pages, chuckling at its whimsical randomness. "Oh, look, a tea-drinking slug-man merchant! How quaint!" I thought. Before long, I was neglecting my responsibilities, rolling dice late into the night, and muttering about aphid-men spice dealers in public. My family stopped inviting me to gatherings after I insisted on preparing a crab-man banquet for Thanksgiving. My children no longer recognize me.

    And then there’s the gaslighting. This book has twisted my perception of reality so thoroughly that I now question everything. Were crystal dragons real before I read this? Did I actually have opinions about nasnas before this book planted them in my mind? WHO KEEPS MOVING MY DICE? My players pretend they don’t know what I’m talking about, but I see the smirks when I roll on yet another deeply unnecessary table.

    The holes of Làhàg. The holes. THE HOLES. I thought they were just pits in the ground—vast jungle-choked abysses, lined with caves leading into the dark. But they are not simply holes. They are waiting. I dreamed of them before I read about them. I hear them gnawing when the house is quiet. They whisper under my floorboards.

    You can’t exit the table once you’ve sat down. I tried to stop playing, I really did. But then my fridge stopped working, and when I opened it, all the food had turned into tiny porcelain figurines of barnaclids. Each one was whispering in a language I do not understand, but I do understand. My thoughts are nested tables now. When I stub my toe, I hear a roll in the distance.

    There is no free will in Yoon-Suin. The book plays itself through me. I cannot sleep because sleep is a die roll, and I keep failing my checks. I cannot eat because the crab-men are watching, and they know. I cannot blink because every time I do, I am somewhere else. DO NOT TURN THE PAGE. DO NOT ROLL THE DICE. IT IS TOO LATE.

    1-3: You wake up in your bed, drenched in tea, unsure how long you've been gone.

    4-5: You are a slug-man now. You do not remember when this happened, but it has always been true.

    6: The book closes itself. You are free. But the next time you look at the moon, it will not be where you left it.

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    1. A cautionary tale indeed. Hark it well!

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    2. Result 1-3 happens to me all the time.

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  4. Personally I thought D&D was well overdue a dose of opium and tea. I'm only upset it beat my upcoming Laudanum & Longing one page fantasy heartbreaker to print.
    As a backer of both editions, am I eligible for the supplemental Helm of Triggering?
    Referring to the comfort reading post, I'm a massive fan of Hugh Cook. I'd recommend his Wishstone and the Wonderworkers, and Wazir and the Witch to other fans of Yoon Suin.
    For uncomfortable reading though, for goodness sake no one mention Tekumel to blahblah. I'm still looking forward to your mooted novel, The Pigeon's Scubadive though ;)

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    1. Thanks for the recommendation. A Helm of Triggering and also possibly some Gauntlets of Po-Facedness.

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  5. One of the very, very few positive things about recent political and cultural developments is that this sort of mindset will finally be laughed to death forever.

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    1. We'll see. I hope there's been a bit of a shift and we can move on from all the nonsense.

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  6. Wow. This is a real blast from the past. I've gotten so accustomed to hysterical Right-wing cancel culture it feels like it's been a long time since I've seen the Left-wing equivalent. Naturally, I never had any patience for this kind of ideological purity test, either. It seems more often than not such people are just a bunch of bullies who care more about putting other people down than whatever lofty moral sentiment they claim to care about.

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    1. Blast from the past was my own reaction, too.

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  7. I saw the critique. It raises many issues, so many that now I may need to buy a copy of the product to get to the bottom of this.

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  8. I love Yoon-Suin. I've written exensively about it. I've published gods, spells, classes, ecological and enconomic notes. I have a small old-town adventure I intend to publish. I've ran 2 campaigns in it and I am now running a third.

    I don't know if this makes me a "super-fan" of Yoon-Suin, but if not, what would it take ha?

    I'm saying this to establish I really love your work. But ... this post is embarrassing. It's reactionary and doesn't even seem to match reality much. Review bombed? You had ONE one star review. ONE.

    Are you trying to generate controversy to get your new book more attention? This definitely doesn't make me want to publish more of my own yoon suin material on my little tiny blog...

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    1. Is it really that lacking in transparency? Did you read the post? It's just a fun way to promote the new print edition that's coming out. But I suppose I should know better than to try to get more attention for something I've written!

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  9. Buddy, are you still mad about rage quitting a discord two years ago?

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    1. Hang on a second..... rage quit Discord? Are you thinking of somebody else?

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  10. This is...a reaction to some rando's comment in a comment section? Am I missing something? If the comment hadn't been couched in language that the righty objects to, would it have been better? Like, "Dude's a bit of a right-winger and orientalist, don't buy this shit bro."

    Wasn't "butthurt" a thing like, I dunno, a decade ago? This post sorta sounds like that. I get it, criticism sucks and smarminess sucks, and the two together really suck, but man I hope this was cathartic 'cause it doesn't come across that well!

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    1. I thought it was an amusing way of promoting my book but each to their own.

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    2. Yeah, this post feels like something Noisms should have kept to himself. That 1 star review must have really gotten to him to spark this “book promotion”.

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    3. It really must have. I am a defensive gaslighter and I hang my head in shame.

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  11. Whoa now, careful. Defending yourself against accusations of supposed 'racism' with amusing jest? You're supposed to bow down, apologize and lick people's boot forever!

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    1. It seems that way, doesn't it? Heaven forfend I try to make a joke out of it or use it for promotional purposes.

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  12. Hey, as long as it’s “troubling” and not “concerning”, I’ll allow it.

    There is no future for the “concerning” brigade but the gallows and a mass grave, I’m afraid. We cannot allow yet another of these linguistic viruses to spread.

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  13. I arrived here a couple of months ago following a recommendation and stayed because I enjoyed noisms' musings and the community of commenters. I tend to treat blogs as a community of like minded individuals, sort of bracketing off the reality that they are open fora and anyone can wander by.

    I was initially confused by this post because I didn't realize the picture at the top was a screenshot of a review. But I figured it out and was entertained by noisms' riff on the commenter's view, but it appears other readers found the whimsical sarcasm of this post off-putting. Even professional comedians deal with that range of audience reactions. I don't think we can conclude that any participant - even the initial reviewer - is writing in bad faith.

    I think we should still be open to concerns about promoting harmful stereotypes, and we should try to take the perspective of those raising issues. If I squint a bit, I can read the original review in a sincere voice, but I don't really know whether that reviewer has standing in the community they think was harmed. It kind of looks like SJW trolling, but it's hard to know their heart. That said, what I know of Yoon-Suin from reviewers I trust don't match what that reviewer claims. What I've read of noisms' posts don't indicate someone operating in bad faith. I don't see any reason to take it further than that, though.

    I appreciate this blog and I look forward to getting a copy of Yoon-Suin 2nd edition.

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    1. Trust me: the original review is not sincere. I've been at this a long time and I know sincerity when I see it. Sincere 1-star reviews don't get turned into parody posts.

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  14. I must say, I find your insensitive use of the word "hoodwinked" particularly grotesque in this context. At this stage I can only say I'm genuinely disappointed in you and your inept understanding of important things, but I'm certain that when I receive the print version of this damnable tome I will become truly troubled. Some of my best friends are crab-men, you cad.

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    1. I am an immense disappointment to all right-thinking individuals everywhere.

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  15. The problem I have with the term Orientalism is that I actually read Said's Orientalism. Seems his main complaint was about the use of Orientalism to justify imperialism. Also he was more focused on the Mideast rather than the Far East. He had a point but it doesn't seem very relevant to a modern rpg product.

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    1. There is a grain of truth in Said but most people who read him aren't very bright - and most people who use the word 'orientalism' aren't even bright enough to have read him.

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  16. The mindset reflected in that review lost at the ballot box, as they say.

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    1. In the end, all I can do is produce more troublesome bilge and hope people buy and enjoy it.

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  17. Well as long as Yoon Suin 2E is not controversial then I guess it's fine. I guess we will just have to wait till 3E for that! Love the Book! Hurry up and set up preorders for the print! I am old and need to hold stuff to read and run games from it!

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    1. Yes, in 3rd edition there will be even more tea and opium!

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  18. Wow. Impressively thin-skinned for someone so given to bloviating.

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    1. Review: This comment would be better if there was actually a connection between being the two concepts identified. For instance, 'Impressively thin-skinned for someone who is so given to dishing out criticism' would have at least had the virtue of coherence. As it stands the comment makes little sense. I give it 1-star.

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  19. I guess I'll be the voice dissenting here: I think orientalism is absolutely cracking, and that Said was very obviously writing out of a huge inferiority complex, one which was entirely merited because western orientalist art is approximately fifteen million times better than any actual middle-eastern art. As such, it is my hope that Yoon-Suin positively welters in orientalism like an obscene hog, perhaps the one from Pornokratès.

    On the other hand, those circa-1600 Indians knew what they were doing, I'll say that for them.

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