Tuesday, 12 September 2023

Amazonpunk and the Giantess Setting

I recently finished reading Buddy Levy's River of Darkness, about Francesco de Orellana and the first European voyage down the Amazon in 1542. It is one of the most riveting books I have read, if perfunctorily written - the story is itself genuinely incredible, but the window it offers onto a world now disappeared is unparalleled. We are used to thinking of Amazonia as a pristine natural wilderness, but the truth is that it is anything but: it is a post-apocalyptic wasteland whose original human inhabitants have now almost entirely disappeared, and whose great civilizations were laid to ruin by disease centuries ago before being recaptured by jungle. I knew this story from the (also excellent) 1491, but in River of Darkness we see it from the ground up, as it was first observed by the conquistadores who witnessed these civilizations (albeit only briefly) when at their zenith.

I suppose I had always innocently and naively assumed that there was some mythological reason why the Amazon is referred to as 'the Amazon', so I was flabbergasted to learn that the reason was because Orellana and his men seem to have encountered there a race of powerful women who ran an empire of their own. From 'The Trumpeter's Tale', recounted in the book:

[The Trumpeter, an Indian captive of Orellana, said] that [the Amazons] lived in the interior seven days' journey away...The Captain asked if they were married, and the Indian said no. The Captain asked how they lived, and the Indian answered in the interior, and that he had been there many times, and seen their customs and way of life, since he had been sent there by his chief to carry the tribute. The Captain asked if they were numerous, and the Indian answered yes, and that he knew seventy of their villages by name. He then named them before those of us who were present, and said that he had been to several of them. The Captain then asked if their houses were made of straw, and the Indian answered no, that they were built of stone, and had proper doors, and that the roads that ran between these villages were walled on both sides, and that they had guards at intervals alone them, to collect dues from those who used them. [Another version describes these walls as paneled with silver all around for half a man's height from the floor, and against them were placed silver seats, which they used for their worship and their drunken feasts. There is the addition, too, of a temple ceiling lined with variegated feathers of parrots and macaws.]

The Captain asked if their villages were large, and the Indian answered that they were. He asked if they bore children, and the Indian answered yes. The Captain asked how they became pregnant, since they were not married and no men lived in their villages. He said that at certain times they felt desire for men and assembled a large army with which they went to make war on a neighbouring chief and brought his warriors by force to their villages where they kept them for as long as they wanted. Then, when they were pregnant, they sent their prisoners back unharmed. If when their time came they bore a male, they killed him or sent him to his father. If they are girls they rear them carefully and train them to war. He said that their queen was called Conori, and they had great quantities of gold and silver, and that the principal women are served on gold and silver plate and have gold and silver vessels, while the common women use earthware, otherwise wood.

He said that in the principal city, where the queen lived, there were five very large buildings used as temples, and sacred to the Sun. He added that they call these temples caranain, and that they contain gold and silver idols in female shape, and that from three feet above the floor these temples are lined with heavy wooden panelling painted in various colours. He said that they have many gold and silver vessels used in the divine service, and that the women are clothed in very fine wool. For in that land there are many llamas like those in Peru. Their clothing is a blanket, worn either girded across the breasts or thrown around the neck, or secured at the front with a pair of cords like a cloak. They wear their hair down to the ground and golden crowns on their heads, as wide as two fingers.

The Indian informed us further that no man is permitted to remain in the women's villages after sunset but must depart for home at that time, and that many provinces bordering on these women's lands are subject to them and pay tribute and services to them. But with others they remain at war...He added that these women are white and of very great stature and numerous.

Levy goes on: 

Carvajal (Orellana's chaplain) noted that it all sounded plausible since he and his compatriots had been hearing tales and reports as early as Quito: the women warriors were so famous that in order to see them, some Indians traveled over 3,500 miles just to behold them, "and anyone who should take it into his head to go down to the country of these women was destined to go a boy and return an old man".

I of course lap this kind of thing up and I suspect you probably do too, redolent as it is of high adventure in a world of ancient and unknown mystery and rumoured wonder. But it also chimes interestingly with two recent themes here on the blog - the meaning of '-punk' and also The Wizard Knight.

'Amazonpunk' first, then: doesn't the account above suggest to you a campaign setting based around the concept of the Amazon civilization, run by women, in which men are decidedly third-class citizens (if not effectively almost slaves)? Here the PCs - they would chiefly have to be men in order for this to really work - are rogues, vagrants, adventurers, and outlaws (or, perhaps, foreign visitors a la Tekumel) trying to eke out for themselves glory, riches and honour despite the system of social hierarchy being implacably opposed. Down in society's underbelly, they strive to work their way upwards, with the implicit end state as they accrue power being grudging acceptance or perhaps even accomodation into the social establishment. IN THIS SOCIETY, WOMEN ARE IN CHARGE! is a trope almost as old as SF itself, but one which is underexplored in fantasy RPGs - at least in OSR circles. Doing something new with hoary old cliche is always a worthy endeavour, and I see no reason why IN THIS SOCIETY, WOMEN ARE IN CHARGE! should be any different.

Oddly, in The Wizard Knight - a book that, like really all of Gene Wolfe's fiction, gives the impression of having mostly been written about men, and for a mostly male readership - we get an interesting twist on the Amazon tale. The Angrborn, the race of evil giants exiled from the realm of Skai, have a society that is only comprised of males. Initially it seems that this is just the way things are, but later we learn that there are in fact Angrborn females who, disgusted with the oppressiveness of their male counterparts, go off into the wilderness to found their own society. 

It is intriguing that Orellana's Amazons (whom his conquistadores later encountered and killed in some number) are described througout as being very tall, of great stature, etc. What if the Amazons in our Amazonpunk campaign are, then, originally descended from a group of female giants who set up a Queendom of their own and propagated through breeding with human males? This would, of course, over time result in the creation of a race of half-giantesses, perhaps now not all that much taller than humans, but certainly big and powerful enough to dominate an entire region and subdue and enslave populations as they saw fit. 

I like this idea, and think it is worth running with, not least because it conjures up in the mind a dream of pulp fantasy novellas from ages past - books that one perhaps never read, but which one nonetheless retains an awareness of from the hazy penumbra of nostalgia which shrouds this hobby of ours so completely.

20 comments:

  1. Orellana called them "Amazons" in direct reference to the mythological Greek Amazons, so you weren't being naive about it. When I was younger, I just assumed the similar names were a coincidence . Curiously, the location of the mythological Amazonian homeland is uncertain, so maybe they are one and the same.

    RE: Your Angrborn idea. The females were *so* "...disgusted by the oppression of their male counterparts, [that they] go off into the wilderness to found their own society...to dominate an entire region and subdue and enslave [male] populations as they saw fit."

    That kind of cultural hypocrisy rings true...especially nowadays.

    ReplyDelete
  2. Both 1491 and River of Darkness are partially political projects to dispel long-held notions of an empty continent populated by sparse hunter-gatherer tribes. More recent archeological finds have demonstrated larger coordination and higher populations than were believed in centuries past, but Carvajal's stories still paint a much grander picture than the evidence supports. The Nature article from 2022 detailing settlements should be viewed as compelling evidence, but it does not suggest anything existed in the Amazon commensurate with the Mexica cities.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. I'm not dismissive of this idea - but what political project is this, exactly? 1491 in particular seems absolutely scrupulous and fair in its treatment of the evidence.

      Delete
    2. There is ongoing scholarly debate about a number of the claims, and while he mentions the disputes, he regularly leans on the "High-Counter", high sophistication side of debates. He does not effectively refute Henige's arguments from Numbers from Nowhere, and highlights silly distinctions regarding technological sophistication (e.g., whatever tradeoffs exist, European technology was hugely superior - the contrasts of footwear and firearms vs bows are silly distractions).

      Finally, all claims - even emerging from apparent scholarly consensus - that reinforce progressive politics deserve careful interrogation. A good example is that since 1491 was published, the argument that the huge population was poorly observed because of a catastrophic epidemic that killed 95% of indigenous people has fallen out of favor. The argument has shifted to assert the huge reduction in the claimed pre-contact population was due to deliberate colonialist policies and violence, including intentional destruction of resources. This is a less parsimonious explanation for why we don't have better evidence for high population estimates, but it shifts the slaughter from primarily accidental to deliberate.

      This - like the high counter population estimates themselves - does not rest on strong evidence, but on the political desires of academic culture, and blank space provided by the impossibility of knowing the answers with any precision.

      Delete
    3. But do 1491 and River of Darkness reinforce progressive politics? Both of them advance the view that the population plummeted by 60-90% due primarily to disease, not genocidal Europeans.

      Delete
    4. That's my point. 10+ years ago when these books were written, the political project was to dispel the notion that pre-contact indigenous people were unsophisticated, and that the land was a unspoilt wilderness sparsely inhabited. Today the focus is more on the violence done by colonization, and Europeans in particular. The scientific "consensus" has been moved further by this updated political desire than by accumulated evidence.

      Richard Herzog has written recently about the post-contact epidemics through an intersectional lens, saying slavery and resource disruption made indigenous peoples and African slaves disproportionately vulnerable. More outrageously, the programs of European religious organizations to provide clean water to indigenous communities is not presented as evidence that disease-related deaths with a tragic accident, but the end of such programs is used as evidence that it was deliberate.

      Delete
    5. I follow you, but was dispelling the notion that the land was an unspoilt wilderness sparsely inhabited a political project, or one that was about uncovering the truth? I was reasonably convinced by the case put by 1491.

      Delete
  3. It has long interested me that the small, naked tribes in South America are the worse-than-decimated remnants of vast civilizations laid waste by the diseases of the Old World. It is enough to make a grown man weep.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Yep. The conquistadors were genuinely frightening people and perpetrated awful crimes, but its one of histories great tragedies (in the genuine sense of the term) that they unwittingly brought a true holocaust with them to the New World.

      Delete
    2. I always wonder why the transferral of lethal disease didn't happen both ways. Why did visitors to the new world not bring back some old-world-lethal Mayan cold when they returned, killing people in Eurasia and Africa by the millions?

      Delete
    3. There is a theory that syphilis is one example of the traffic going the other way.

      The main reason why there wasn't an 'old-worth-lethal' equivalent of smallpox or measles is thought to be that those diseases spread to humans from domesticated animals (pigs, sheep, cows) which did not exist in the Americas.

      Delete
  4. There's a whole lot of fanciful etymology going on around the word "Amazon" -- not just the counterproposal that the river's name comes from a native language's "amassona" or "boat destroyer", but also the "a-mazos" (no breast) back-formation which led to the elaboration that the classical Amazons mutilated themselves to facilitate their archery. Leaving aside that the line of draw from the shoulder is not interrupted by any amount of breast tissue -- unless said organs have a buoyant self-animation only found in video games -- "amazon" is more likely to have Indo-Iranian roots simply meaning "warrior".

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Yes - interestingly, the Amazons Orellana is said to have encountered had both breasts.

      My favourite Amazon version remains Gene Wolfe's ones from Soldier of...Arete? I forget which volume.

      Delete
  5. If you haven't already read it, I recommend Douglas Preston's The Lost City of the Monkey God.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Thanks! No, I have not. By the way, Geoffrey, do you have an email address I can contact you on?

      Delete
  6. Neo-Bonaparte, warlord of the 22nd century Mediterranean basin: "Has Wellington nothing to offer me but these Amazonpunks?"

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Ah, Rod Steiger.

      I am currenly reading Adam Roberts' monumental Napolean biography. I am waiting in suspense to find out if he actually uttered that line.

      Delete
  7. The eternal dream of Man throughout time, from Francesco de Orellana to Robert Crumb... Big Women

    ReplyDelete