I think the title of this post pretty succinctly summarises its content, which raises the question as to whether or not there is any purpose in writing it. But be that as it may, I will do so.
One of the interesting features of human languages is that there is a lot more flexibility than you would think in respect of even the most basic grammatical concepts. It seems almost impossible to believe for an English speaker, for example, but in Navajo many of the things we think of as nouns (apple, cigarette, rock, etc.) are verbs, and in Japanese, the concept of liking something is described by an adjective rather than a verb.
This seems to hint at there being something different in the way thoughts are structured from language to language (that hoary old Sapir-Whorf hypothesis). And it raises the question in my own mind: given that we know demihumans are supposed to think very differently to humans, what would this say about the structure of their languages?
Somewhat simplistically, I began thinking on my walk home from the office this afternoon about whether a language could be comprised entirely of verbs, nouns, or adjectives and, if so, which race would most appropriately speak the all-verb, all-noun, and all-adjective variants?
Elves would, I think, speak entirely in verbs. Picture a language in which everything is an action; every object would be described not as existing in a fixed state but in one of flux and potential movement, and always in relation to other objects/actions. A table would not be a 'table' but 'standing solidly on the floor so as to be available to be used for eating and drinking'; a window would not be a 'window' but 'standing perpendicular and presenting the outside to the inside'; a book would not be a 'book' but 'giving knowledge in the reading'.
In Elvish: 'I sat at the table reading a book' = 'Speaking-in-relation-to-the-past sitting at standing-solidly-on-the-floor-so-as-to-be-available-to-be-used-for-eating-and-drinking reading giving-knowledge-in-the-reading.' It's a good thing elves live for a long time.
Dwarfs, meanwhile, would speak only in nouns; their concepts are objects, and they live in a world of manipulable reality, not abstraction or movement. Hence, they have tables and chairs, no problem. When describing what we think of as an action, they instead describe objects juxtaposed against one another with the gaps filled in by context. One does not 'eat' a ham, but 'ham, inside-of-mouth'. One does not 'look' out of a window, but 'eyes window'. One then uses nouns to specify what we think of as tense: 'I looked out of the window' = 'I eyes window past'. 'I looked out of the window yesterday morning' = 'I eyes window yesterday morning'.
For orcs, meanwhile, everything that is worth saying is a command or an expression of submission or emotion; orcs are governed not by reason but by the natural hierarchy of might-makes-right and the incontinent desire for violence. They must in every word of their speech reflect this. Orcs do not sit at tables reading books or look out of windows (or, if they do, they do not tell other orcs about it). Instead, they simply assert dominance or subservience. An orc sees some food that it wants, and it barks at the nearest weaker orc and points at the food: 'Quick!' Another orc, bigger, objects: 'Presumptious!' The original orc sits back in its chair, murmuring 'Quiet.'
Your job is now to put these ramblings into effect by translating the first sentence of the King James Bible, 'In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth'. If you can put that convincingly into elvish, dwarfish or orcish as described here, you win a prize.*
*Probably a PDF of something I've made.
What a fabulous challenge!! I keep revising, but here's an attempt:
ReplyDeletecreating-before-the-existing-of-all-the-being-that-is-created-the-dwelling-of-beings-and-the-dwelling-above
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ReplyDelete"Starting, first-moving, forming, all-covering, all-supporting."
ReplyDelete"God handiwork: starvault, stonewomb; start."
"First! Supreme, productive: Highest, lowest."
Dwarvish: "Zero day, idol-above-idols pickaxe empty space mine all stone all not-stone"
ReplyDeleteElvish: "Rising-setting-shining, breezing-storming-to-flowing-raining, growing-living-from-falling-settling, at beginning-beginnings creating-uncreated set in motion"
Orcish: "First, mightiest painful least, bloody biggest above and below"
Here goes my attempt. Bear in mind that english is not my first language, so if you anglicized weirdos consider something a noun while we not-anglicized weirdoes consider it an adjective...Well, I'll have to try again. Oh, and also I've cheated a bit and written elvish (the hardest by far!) in the same way it was presented in the post...Writing the thing entirely in OUR verbs would be impossible. MY take is that what you are doing with the hifenated stuff is hinting that the language has those oddly specific verbs not present in "avarage european speech" (to put it in Whorf's terms) being instead something more aking to "the-eskimo-verb-for-licking-recently-fallen-snowflakes-but-not-munching-them".
ReplyDeleteso... Translating 'In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth'...
In elvish: Speaking-in-relation-to-the-most-remote-past, Maker-that-others-made-sacred-and-pray-to-and-ask-boons-from created stays-above-all-wide-open-to-be-soared-by-flyers-and-crossed-by-the-sun-and-the-moon-and-sprikled-by-stars-unless-covered-by-clouds having-equally-crafted staying-in-the-contact-of-my-walking-feet-supporting-all-that-be-where-trees-grow-and-civilization-procreates.
In Dwarfish: Dawn hourglass God hammer hand heaven hand earth
In Orcish: First-old First-Big big-upper same biggest-of-all
Here goes my attempt. Bear in mind that english is not my first language, so if you anglicized weirdos consider something a noun while we not-anglicized weirdoes consider it an adjective...Well, I'll have to try again. Oh, and also I've cheated a bit and written elvish (the hardest by far!) in the same way it was presented in the post...Writing the thing entirely in OUR verbs would be impossible. My take is that what you are doing with the hifenated stuff is hinting that the language has those oddly specific verbs not present in "avarage european speech" (to put it in Whorf's terms) being instead something more aking to "the-eskimo-verb-for-licking-recently-fallen-snowflakes-but-not-munching-them".
ReplyDeleteso... Translating 'In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth'...
In elvish: Speaking-in-relation-to-the-most-remote-past, Maker-that-others-made-sacred-and-pray-to-and-ask-boons-from created stays-above-all-wide-open-to-be-soared-by-flyers-and-crossed-by-the-sun-and-the-moon-and-sprikled-by-stars-unless-covered-by-clouds having-equally-crafted staying-in-the-contact-of-my-walking-feet-supporting-all-that-be-where-trees-grow-and-civilization-procreates.
In Dwarfish: Dawn hourglass God hammer hand heaven hand earth.
In Orcish: First-old First-Big big-upper same biggest-of-all.
God's place; beginning: God's creations; Heaven, Earth.
ReplyDeleteFirstly, all-divinely craftily, promptly heavenly adjacently earthly.
Beginning, Rule-encompass made upgoing, downgoing.
Elvish: awaiting-first-breathing-created-arises-from-all-impelled-and-all-impelling-and-flung-above-was-unfurled-and-throughout-carpeted-below-rolled-out.
ReplyDeleteDwarf: Stillness and nothing before the all-maker's forge fires, a newborn air seed, his hammer, herald of our world, womb of stone.
Orc: once-dark-empty-wakened-light-full-old-powerful-busy-thoughtful-the-thundrous-high-stormy-after-busy-thoughtful-the-green-bosomed-stony
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DeleteThis is an enjoyable game. It's tough to get past preconceptions of what you think a Dwarf should speak like - I gravitated towards Maker or the classic verbiage of modern dwarfs in fantasy, but it rings less true and more like a pastiche.
ReplyDeleteI think for Orcs, it's the command to start. There's nothing else to it. The all-powerful creates something from nothing and kicks it all of.
Elfs I really struggled with. Particularly when you try to represent something in relation to nothing.
Dwarvish - "Father start time forge dream ground"
Orcish - "Go"
Elvish - "Entering measuring-passing overseeing the dreaming and the sustaining-living."
orcish seems fairly easy-- only question is what adjective to use for God; while, say, "divine" is an obvious one, that doesn't feel like a particularly Orcish sort of adjective. maybe just "supreme" ?
ReplyDelete"first! supreme new new! high! and low."
Dwarfish seems straightforward too-- "beginning God craftsmanship heaven earth"
I need to sleep so I'm not gonna bother with Elvish
Ooo, I want to play:
ReplyDeleteelf - TO BE to make to expand and to cool to start.
dwarf - The anteroom the prototype the AGGREGATE foundation and ciborium.
orc - Overearth, oversky, overtime, overvoid, OVEREYE.
Elvish: "Making". The simplest, with no additional context; *the* making. Most profound and significant, and the first, the root of all experience. The older the thing being described, the shorter it is, the less elaboration needed, or indeed possible, since so little time and experience has passed in relation to it.
ReplyDeleteDwarf: "Foundation-stratum. Mark. Root Engineer: Industry, Ambition, Craft. Trinket, Earths-entire."
Orc: "Mine, big!". Contextual, can only be expressed by an orc recognised as having both great command authority and the favour of the ancestors. A normal orc saying this is merely expressing desire for conquest and won't be understood as quoting scripture.
Precede-all-occurs, Rule-Make-Judge think-on-past create extend-towards-light join-with extend-towards-darkness
ReplyDeleteBeginning, King Creator Judge forge hammer sky fire ore stone.
First, Shameless Prostrate new fresh virginal high bright low dark
Elf:
ReplyDeleteGoing-to-start going-to-infinite, Causing-Causes going-to-infinite. Causing-Causes, Causing going-above going-to-infinite,
Causing-Causes, Causing going-below going-to-infinite.
(in the begining, there was god. God made the heavens. God made the earth --> you have to structure elvish paragraphs something like a mathemtical proof, where each sentence feels like it causes the ones after it)
I feel I deserve extra points for giving the elvish translation more poetic structure than the king james translation AND suggesting that Elves think of God as the first mover/root-of-all-causes
Although languages differ, the claims of the linguistic relativists are greatly exaggerated, usually based on poor apprehension of a language or poor apprehension of how languages work in general. Linguistic universals constitute a field of study by themselves.
ReplyDeleteFor the languages of imaginary nonhumans, of course, anything goes, potentially with fun results as illustrated here.
Eld: All-preceding-all-acting-all-judging-and-perceiving, created, underlying-all/covering-all*.
ReplyDeleteDwarf: Beginning God Tools Heaven Earth
Orc: First Strongest Well-crafted Blessed Muddy Lowest Extra Accursed** Thinnest Highest
* In the First Eldari language, God is the only noun. Following the religious schism of the Splintering, the kingdoms of the northern Eldar instead consecrated the verb All-perceiving-All-acting-and-perceiving. The Elven language is notoriously particular when it comes to dating but fortunately in this particular case the lack of specification means the act can be timed by the attributes of its actor, which precedes all!
** The Accursed adjective comes from the Orc religious hatred for the sun and their perception of the earth as a place of shelter and refuge.
Greatest-Judging-Ruling-Guiding-Creating birthed stretching-deeping-growing-teeming-inhabitedby-continuous linking arching-shining-spinning-continuous, existing began.
ReplyDelete("inhabitedby" is meant to indicate passive voice)
DEPTHS HEIGHT, smith morn SMITH.
(block capitals are supposed to imply formal and sacred register)
Earliest, Most-powerful newest great darksolid, great highbright.